The Magi and Star in the East: Pre-Christian and Astrotheological?
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http://dudekintranscripts.blogspot.com/2009/06/magi-and-star-in-east-pre-christian-and.html
CHRIST IN EGYPT
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/christinegypt.html
This video explains the Three Kings motif in the Egyptian mythos, as well as briefly covering other parallels with Christianity. Primary source evidence is provided in support of this contention.
See ‘Christ in Egypt’ for a more in depth analysis.
‘The same old lie, forever told anew
Will never make the falsehood true’
- Gerald Massey
Duration : 0:10:11
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September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
I’ve dug up some …
I’ve dug up some passages from Clement of Alexandria’s ‘Exhortation to the Heathen’ (150-215CE?) which may be of interest to you.
‘Christ, the Sun of the Resurrection, He who was born before the morning star,
- Roberts, ANF, II, p196
Again, we find an ociation of the ‘Star in the East’ with ‘The Morning Star’, or, ‘Sirius’. Which would make sense, as the Sun is born before Sirius, whenever it is seen in the sky. Particularly noticeable at the Winter Solstice with Orion.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
The sole purpose of …
The sole purpose of the star in Matthew was to incite awareness over the birth of Christ.
It serves the exact same purpose as it has done in numerous myths preceding it. Exact logistics are of little consequence, as it’s the intent behind the writings. The star in Matthew was Jesus’ star.
‘the star they had seen in the east went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. ‘
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Go eff all you …
Go eff all you pagans!
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Excuse me. I meant …
Excuse me. I meant Cyrus. Not Sirius.
The Morning star in other ancient writings are analogies to an ACTUAL star. Matthews star was an earthly agent that led people around the middle east and would even lead people to particular houses. What other star in ancient writings behaved in this way?
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Sirius does have a …
Sirius does have a connection to the star in Matthew.
In numerous mythologies, Sirius was seen as a herald for the new-born saviour, an example would be the Egyptian mythos. The story of Krishna and Buddha are also of a similar thread.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
The only thing you …
The only thing you have shown is that the morning star is a common reference in ancient writings. Jesus being called the Morning Star had NOTHING to do with Matthews star, and you have NOT shown ANY different. There is no comparison between Sirius and Matthews star, so he has nothing to do with it either.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Simply because …
Simply because Sirius throughout mythology has been deemed ‘The Morning Star’, comparatively, it is fitting.
It’s not a big leap at all. Especially considering the whole ’star in the east guiding magi’ concept is astronomical, as attested to by the Pyramid texts.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
We have ABSOLUTELY …
We have ABSOLUTELY No reason to believe that this incident took place anytime in the first 18-20 months of his life. Anyway it is clear the star could not operate on the Hebrews. It had to draw in astrologers from Babylon.
And you still never said how you came to compare Matthews star to Christ being the morning star. Pretty big leap if you base it on NOTHING.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
‘Two old years and …
‘Two old years and under’
Period. Please stop moulding things to suite a presupposed agenda.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
LMFAO. You haven’t …
LMFAO. You haven’t shown below. Do not be vague. Tell me what facts you are referring to and we will talk about them one at a time.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Right. Matt 2:16 pt …
Right. Matt 2:16 pt 2. “according to the time he had ascertained from the astrologers.” TWO YEARS.
I never said comparing Sirius to Christ was Ludicrous. Scripture does that. How does that justify comparing him to the star in Matt ch2? Try to keep up Ok?
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
‘herod ascertained …
‘herod ascertained that Jesus was 2 years old by this time’
That is simply not true at all – please stop perverting scripture.
‘he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under’ – Matthew 2:16.
The comparison isn’t ‘ludicrous’ at all. As I have demonstrated, Sirius has been deemed the ‘Morning Star’ since antiquity. Furthermore, the star was deemed Jesus’ star:
‘We saw HIS star in the east’ – Matthew 2:2 (emph added).
*NOT* a pagan effigy.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Facts confused? I …
Facts confused? I think you’ll find your erting I’m wrong due to Biblical discrepancy? I think you’d be better off proclaiming the Gospel writers to have had their facts confused.
Furthermore, your points of contention are just plain incorrect, as I’ve outlined below.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Lists his sources?! …
Lists his sources?!? This guy has nearly all his facts confused and compares irrelevant points. The star was pagan and led HEROD to the child to kill him! Yet he relates this star to Jesus being called the morning star is stupid.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
The point is …
The point is comparing Jesus being the morning star to the “star” in Matthew. It’s not irrelevant at all. The fact being that it is a pagan star means the comparison is ludicrous.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Read The story. …
Read The story. Matt Chapter 2 v1. The star first led them to Herod. After Herod was told a King was born and set a murderous plot in motion, ONLY THEN did the star lead them to Jesus.
When they found the child, where was he? In a manger? No. In a house. Mathew Ch2 v 11. A distinctly different word used for house than for manger.
Matthew Chapter 2 Vs16. herod ascertained that Jesus was 2 years old by this time. Read Lukes account to get the events at the manger.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
‘The star was pagen …
‘The star was pagen (sic), not christian.’
Again, that point is entirely moot, and irrelevant. It’s part of the story, which is indeed, telling and pertinent, as it reveals the true solar motif of the narrative.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
The star which they …
The star which they saw in the east went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was
It seems that you, are the one misinterpreting texts, here. Secondly, where did you get the idea that the Magi found Jesus’ house two years after birth? The Bible proclaims nothing of such sorts – you’re misinterpreting the text.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Sarcasm only shins …
Sarcasm only shins on your ignorance.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Ooooh. I have never …
Ooooh. I have never had a more brilliant rebuttal in my life.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
stupid? like your …
stupid? like your self.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
LMAO. Lukes account …
LMAO. Lukes account was the night of Christs birth. In Matthews account, the Magi found Christ in a house 2 years after his birth! This guy is stupid!
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
A close reading of …
A close reading of the bible star will reveal that the star in Matthew only led Herod to kill the children. The star was pagen, not christian. This relating the star in Matthew to Jesus being called the morning star is stupid!
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Good job! ***** As …
Good job! ***** As good as this is, and as well as you list your sources, I can hear Keith’s arguements already.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am
You’ve been hard at …
You’ve been hard at work, haven’t you dudekin? This is great to see this material finally put to video form, you & JezusRa deserve the highest praise.