Comments on: Why do people think that JESUS was born in December and there were only 3 wise men, when a simple study shows?

By: Telulater

Telulater — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:55:59 +0000

WOW!! You cracked the code!!! You have found the perfect flaw in Christianity! Now, faced with these facts NOBODY can truly say they believe in Jesus or even God. I cant tell you how long I have waited for someone to provide the perfect evidence that the bible is wrong…..and now my wait has finally paid off…..thank you, thank you, thank you…..now shut up!
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By: Psalm 68:4. No [J ].

Psalm 68:4. No [J ]. — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:38:59 +0000

@:’Why do people think that JESUS was born in December and there were only 3 wise men, when a simple study shows?"

When these christian ministers, reverends,pastors, priests….STOP BRINGING IT-UP…TEACHING IT; IT MAY GO AWAY!

False teachers, YAHWEH WILL JUDGE.
THE ‘HOUSE’ WILL BE THE FIRST PLACE JUDGED BY THE FATHER.

THE SHEEP WILL FOLLOW OR SCATTER; THAT’S WHAT THEY ARE AFRAID OF.
JUST GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT…AND WE’LL GET WHAT WE NEED.
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By: Crazy Pirate's Ghost {zilla}

Crazy Pirate's Ghost {zilla} — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:26:59 +0000

tradition always trumps truth, even when truth is defined solely by the bible
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By: noname

noname — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:04:59 +0000

The "magi" were not astrologers, they were Medes from Persia. God forbid astrology as abominable. He put a star in the sky and it moved to where Jesus (i.e. Yeshua) was laid. This was not an astrological sign, the star moved as they followed it. It was a miracle of God. The "magi" were most like ethnically Jewish much like Daniel and the 3 Hebrew boys were who stayed in Babylon (Persia). Jesus was most likely born in Spring to most scholars – shepherds do not take their sheep out in December and the date of Christmas is Catholic not Jewish Christianity. The holiday itself is named after Catholic tradition – "Mass, i.e Christ – Mass". Mass is a ceremony commemorate the death of Christ in Catholic tradition. To say "Merry Christmas" is to say "Happy death of Christ". Clearly Yeshua’s apostles nor his first followers celebrated such a thing as no mention of it whatsoever is recorded in the Apostolic writings found in the New Testament. Catholicism is a rip off of paganism with a glitter of so-called Christianity over it. It’s pagan!
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By: Philip H

Philip H — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:33:59 +0000

Those three "wise men" didn’t arrive at the date of Jesus birth. Read scripture carefully and you will see they first saw the star, then traveled a long way, then went to Herod, Then found Jesus after further searching and when they finally arrived, Jesus was a young child living in a house.
It took Herod almost three years to determine they were not returning with evidence of where Jesus was living so he had to have every male child under the age of three murdered.
The typical Nativity scene is a fiction made up from distortions created from various reports, from different books of the Bible, that didn’t even happen on the same date. There is no way Jesus spent months lying in a temporary bed in a stable.
The "wise men" were astrologers and that was a practice condemned by the Hebrew faith and believed to be influenced by Satan. The star moved before them and directed their journey, so it wasn’t a real star and there is no evidence that anyone else saw that "star". Since the star directed them to the evil Herod to alert him about the birth of Jesus, it is likely the "star" was an apparition created by Satan and intended to bring about the death of Jesus. There is no mention of a star in the account of the night of Jesus birth.
For real Christians, is any of the Christmas pageantry really necessary to maintain faith in Jesus as our Savior and as the Son of God?
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By: lua non

lua non — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:10:59 +0000

Wise men= Vietnamese

When doctors come to Jerusalem, basing on stature and dress, Jews immediately know that they are oriental people.

Israeli region belongs to the West Pole of Asia (because of confining the immense sea). It is similar when talking about the real Orient.

Regarding about geography, face, and culture, Western Asia and Eastern Asia frontier was standardized by Indian and Chinese Frontier. In Europe, people could call the whole Asia oriental people but Jews are West Asia ones. Therefore, we could not call the areas in this region Orient. In this period, people knew a large number of peoples, countries, and 3 continents. It was not in the stage of Babel Tower, which was supposed all as one people etc…

Face: Western Asia people have big eyes, high nose, and are a little bit higher than Eastern Asia people. The eastern Asia People are vice versa.

The completely oriental countries now are composed of China, Vietnam, Korea because these countries are not blocked by others toward the Orient, bordering the mainland.

In the period of Jesus’ infant-hood, Kinh People in the Orient had the same political circumstance as Jews because the Chinese had conquered our country’s kingdom (An Duong Vuong) before that time and continued the rule during Jesus’ infant-hood. Therefore, Kinh People did not have a King at that time and God showed them the stars of the whole people King granting their people afterwards. Israeli Kingdom hadn’t been named on the world map until the state was founded 2000 years later (in 1948). Is it true that due to the prophecy, Jews refused Jesus? (Romans 11:26)

MAT 2:12 GOD could ask doctors not to retell our people about the worship to Jesus’ infant-hood, similarly to Herod King and didn’t allow looking at stars to tell fortunes according Moses law (Deuteronomy 4: 19, 17: 3,4) while people in China still looked at the stars to tell fortunes. In Tam Quoc period, the opponents looked at stars and knew that Khong Minh had died.

After Kinh people’s doctors had worshiped young king Jesus, Kinh people had a king 1000 years later.

The nation has been continuously independent and dominated 2 more countries (Chiem Thanh & Chan Lap) so far, that is the central coast and the south of Vietnam. In the war, Kinh People defeated some powerful countries to defend the entire territory ( Nguyen Mong, Thanh, France etc… Nowadays, King People has the national language with Latin letter (the letters used to write Bible replacing the Chinese letter) which can write dialects in order to create favorable conditions to print General Bible to everyone. They also call the first day of week Lordday(Sunday). It is different from other countries in the region. At present, Catholicism and Protestantism are 2 big religions ranked the second and the third respectively in Vietnam.

Sentence 11-16: When doctors came to worship Jesus, he was 2 years old, so he no longer lay in the manger and had 2-year-old child’s clothes. His family had a house in Bethlehem.

Sentence 2-7 since doctors only went in the dark (with stars shining), they went slowly. It took them 2 years. Since doctors were Kinh People, they did not introduce about the politics, that is the name of the country (because they did not have). As a result, they only talked about the geography aspect, that is the Orient. Jews then knew peoples, nations belonging to the Western Asia and Eastern Asia even the current south of Vietnam (Ezekiel 39:11, about the oriental sea, flood plains) as well as continents (Esther 8: 9: Isaiah 49: 12: Acts 2:-11)

Isaiah 49:8-13 talked about the secure for many peoples. Among them, Sinim people present themselves before Jesus at the holy region. At Israeli region, at that time, all vehicles from all directions rushed there to expand and develop, which Bible was called the initial way, with the literal meaning “Leveling roads” (Isaiah 40:3). According to the researches about peoples in Bibles, there are some viewpoints supposing that Sinim People inhabits in the south of China, Vietnam. It is accurate about geography and the name of the country now.(Bible Chronlogy of Homera Homer Dixon)

Luke 2:10. As Jesus was the whole people King, doctors were not Western Asia People considered as having close relationship with Jews. Western Asia people could not spend 2 years coming to Israeli region while road transportation were expanded and developed. Nowadays, Western Asia countries in majority follow opposite Islam and Christianity.

As Jesus stayed in Bethlehem for 2 years, he finished the Moses Law (Luke 2: 22-24; Matt 2: 7, 16).

Luke 2: 10, When informing herdsmen, Israeli local people, cherubs directly informed them because Jews are not allowed to look at stars to tell a fortune.

Jeremiah 1:13 called Babylon: the north

In conclusion: Kinh People would come and worship Jesus.
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By: EE0N

EE0N — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:43:59 +0000

*sigh*

Your first statement needs research. Those cultures that kept time on a lunar calendar would have had moving dates every year. This is why the Muslim season of Ramadan shifts forward year to year.

Also, the pagan Roman festival of ‘Sol Invictus’ was instituted for December 25th in the year 274 a.d. Nimrod, an historical person who was later deified, did not have a feast date.

There is also no reason for Nimrod – a Babylonian king – to be celebrated as a sun deity in every culture.

For your second statement, does it really matter?

Your simple study needs to use resources of some sort other than your low-budget imagination.
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By: Cherry

Cherry — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:02:59 +0000

1)Your right,Jesus wasn’t born on Dec. 25, this is simply the day that his coming 2 earth is celebrated…
2)Yes,there could hav been over 5000 wisemen, but since this would be hard to put on a manger scene most manger scenes hav 3 wisemen as a symbol of the 3 gifts. Unfortunately many Christians believe that there were only 3 wisemen,as this is what they see,as many Christians are too lazy to research everything in their Bible.

I understand my answer wont be chosen as best,because on questions like this the asker usually chooses an answer that is most like there own,but,i wanted to inform you that well informed Christians are not idiots as you seem to believe.
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By: Jesus loves us!

Jesus loves us! — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:56:59 +0000

Jesus was actually born around October 2nd, according to the Jewish calendar. Christmas is a leftover pagan holiday, and no Christian should be celebrating it. God specifically warns against using the same holidays as pagans to worship Him on too.
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By: Jeremy

Jeremy — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:47:59 +0000

Sheep were also outside when he was born, therefore it could not have been december as it would have been too cold...
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