"Nothing in Christianity is original. The pre-Christian God Mithras – called the Son of God and the Light of the World – was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days. By the way, December 25 is also the birthday or Osiris, Adonis, and Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Even Christianity’s weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans."
http://godisimaginary.com/i3.htm
sorry guys, this stuff is older than christ. as for why do I want to bash christianity, i am not bashing. if you are done searching for answers then stop coming here and enjoy your religion. but that is like looking for your keys to your car and then stopping at the screwdriver because that will work just fine. i was a christian and now i’m not, but i do enjoy discussing it… also, i think that a lot of the problems we face daily are caused by many people’s belief that there is another life after death. look at the suicide bombers. if they only knew that they were not going to get their virgins it is less likely they would be so quick to kill themselves. of course that is extreme, and a generalization I ADMIT THAT. but if gay men marrying eachother will (as you say) lead to people wedding their dogs, then what can we say about christians who follow a leader blindly. extremism is not that farfetched.
JOHNNY CEE
I have in fact done my homework, thank you. now then, we know that jesus claims to have been with god and in fact was god (John 1) but that doesn’t explain how his later life on earth story was told by others before it "happened." and with different names. it is more obvious that his myth was derived from these stories. Dionysus turned water into wine but was the son of Zeus, not Jehovah. he also died and was resurrected after 3 days. the parallels are striking.
many of you are wrapped around the Christmas day part… if you really read what is written here that is not my point. Jesus could have actually been born on May 1st for all it matters. the point is that we CELEBRATE his birth on the SAME day as other "gods" before him were supposedly born and these gods have nearly identical LIVES as Jesus… thus, logically, jesus is just a retelling of the same old myths.
FISHER
and the bible tells us jesus’ story. which history shows has been told before. so i am not just reading other books and avoiding the bible… i’m also using the bible. if i write something down now, hide it, and 75 years from now someone finds it, rewrites it and claims it was their idea to begin with, but then people find my original… will people only believe that he plagiarized if they already believe he’s a fraud? or will his followers question him?
ANN A
I have already said it, these other myths are OLDER than christ. how could they steal from something that had not yet been born, technically.???
Even if true, what is your point? So what if there are a lot of Jesus wannabes?
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"Nothing in Christianity is original" … I’ve seen some of the claims that Christianity copied its beliefs from numerous ancient religions. It is an ink-blot test, since people see similarities where they want to by changing the terminology used by ancient people to make other religious practices seem like Christian practices on the superficial level.
You read that right, these "comparisons" are always superficial and lacking in any serious scholarship.
With all due respect, if you want to be taken seriously, try doing some of your own original research, and your own original thinking, instead of blindly parroting something that you copied and pasted from a non-scholarly source. I can use Google too, and I can find as many rebuttal websites for every bogus ‘God is Dead; website that you can find.
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BTW, it is not a secret that December 25 was chosen as the date for Christmas because it was close to the date of many pagan mid-winter holidays (normally around December 21, the first day of winter). So what if the early church deliberately chose more or less the same dates as a pagan religion in order to give early Christians a "clean" alternative to celebrating pagan holidays? If the church chose some other date for Christmas, then some scholar somewhere would find some ancient civilization somewhere (like the ancient Mayas or something) who worshiped one of their gods on more or less the same day by coincidence. Once again, what’s your point?
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…Osiris’ resurrection served to provide hope to all that they may do likewise and become eternal. This is where we find some of the biggest misuse of terminology, including by some Egyptian scholars of religion (who do not go on to posit a "copycat" relationship!). Osiris resurrected? Not if "resurrection" is defined as coming back in a glorified body. On this point Miller has done some substantial work, reporting the words of J. Z. Smith, so I will let these speak to begin:
"Osiris was murdered and his body dismembered and scattered. The pieces of his body were recovered and rejoined, and the god was rejuvenated. However, he did not return to his former mode of existence but rather journeyed to the underworld, where he became the powerful lord of the dead. In no sense can Osiris be said to have ‘risen’ in the sense required by the dying and rising pattern (as described by Frazer et.al.); most certainly it was never considered as an annual event."
"In no sense can the dramatic myth of his death and reanimation be harmonized to the pattern of dying and rising gods (as described by Frazer et.al.)."
"The repeated formula ‘Rise up, you have not died,’ whether applied to Osiris or a citizen of Egypt, signaled a new, permanent life in the realm of the dead."
Frankfort concurs:
"Osiris, in fact, was not a ‘dying’ god at all but a ‘dead’ god. He never returned among the living; he was not liberated from the world of the dead, as Tammuz was. On the contrary, Osiris altogether belonged to the world of the dead; it was from there that he bestowed his blessings upon Egypt. He was always depicted as a mummy, a dead king." [Kingship and the gods: a study of ancient Near Eastern religion as the integration of society & nature. UChicago:1978 edition, p.289]…
…I found in Budge one idea that Horus had died and been cast in pieces in the water, and his parts were fished out by Sebek the crocodile god at Isis’ request. But that’s a funny sort of baptism at best (see above). Another source notes a story where Horus is bitten by a snake and revived, which is still not much of a parallel….